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		<title>By: Spectre of Eurabia haunts Europeans as Islamization of Europe Conspiracy Theory Gains Popularity &#124; God Discussion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spectre of Eurabia haunts Europeans as Islamization of Europe Conspiracy Theory Gains Popularity &#124; God Discussion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] further boost when in 2009 a YouTube video which scored over 10 million views in two months, titled Muslim Demographics suggested that the fear of Muslim takeover of Europe in a few generations was real.  BBC did a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sammy</title>
		<link>http://www.postkiwi.com/2009/muslim-demographics-on-youtube-abuse-of-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-113937</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Canadian born Muslim, and when I saw this video, i couldn&#039;t help notice the Islamophobia in this video. The narrator is talking like this is a pandemic and we need to act now otherwise the whole world will become Muslim.  The facts are distorted and the intention is disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Canadian born Muslim, and when I saw this video, i couldn&#8217;t help notice the Islamophobia in this video. The narrator is talking like this is a pandemic and we need to act now otherwise the whole world will become Muslim.  The facts are distorted and the intention is disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Islam CANNOT be the religion of Europe, as Gaddafi suggests &#171; Today is life &#8230; Tomorrow never comes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Islam CANNOT be the religion of Europe, as Gaddafi suggests &#171; Today is life &#8230; Tomorrow never comes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Vatican too close).  This is a very delicate moment. Financial crisis, growing ignorance, populism  and racism do not help the process, but, for example, Scandinavian countries are very close to the goal. There [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Vatican too close).  This is a very delicate moment. Financial crisis, growing ignorance, populism  and racism do not help the process, but, for example, Scandinavian countries are very close to the goal. There [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MySelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>MySelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;This is a call to action&quot;&quot;. What action are you proposing? Genocide of Muslims? Who&#039;s the Nazi now, you fear mongerers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;This is a call to action&#8221;". What action are you proposing? Genocide of Muslims? Who&#8217;s the Nazi now, you fear mongerers.</p>
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		<title>By: ralphar</title>
		<link>http://www.postkiwi.com/2009/muslim-demographics-on-youtube-abuse-of-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-53070</link>
		<dc:creator>ralphar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Judith. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve already had to apologise to at least one person for the tone of my response the video.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wouldn&#039;t change the thrust of what I wrote (our commitment needs to be to following Christ, not to dominating the world or maintaining the status quo), but I think we all need to be sensitive to people for whom fear of others or of muslims or of the future is a real struggle.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I also think we need to name and shame fear-mongering when we see it, and stand against those who would manipulate other people&#039;s fears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Judith. </p>
<p>I&#39;ve already had to apologise to at least one person for the tone of my response the video.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#39;t change the thrust of what I wrote (our commitment needs to be to following Christ, not to dominating the world or maintaining the status quo), but I think we all need to be sensitive to people for whom fear of others or of muslims or of the future is a real struggle.</p>
<p>But I also think we need to name and shame fear-mongering when we see it, and stand against those who would manipulate other people&#39;s fears.</p>
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		<title>By: judithbore</title>
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		<dc:creator>judithbore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the comment&quot;Jesus never said his followers would or should dominate.&quot; It seems right to me. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: ralphar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralphar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the opposite of the malthusian fears of the 50s&lt;br&gt;fears of &quot;cultural take over&quot; &lt;br&gt;&quot;historical research tells us&quot;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Europe will cease to exist&quot;&lt;br&gt;&quot;islamic&quot; imigration + birth rates --&gt; islamic republic&lt;br&gt;unsubstatiatted statistics are given in very negative and fear-inspiring terms&lt;br&gt;&quot;the world is changing&quot; &quot;it&#039;s time to wake up&quot;&lt;br&gt;islam is preparing for growing numbers&lt;br&gt;&quot;islam will be the dominant religion&quot;&lt;br&gt;&quot;share the gospel message with the changing world&quot;&lt;br&gt;&quot;this is a call to action&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Initially on watching the video I laughed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my Development Studies cause we learnt all about Malthus and the Malthusian concerns of the 1950s - that overpopulation was going to wipe out the world and that contaceptive or sterilisation needed to be part of any good development project. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Aparently stupidly, the 1st world listened and dropped it&#039;s birth rate. Now we&#039;re being taken over and the world will never be the same. Ha!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m glad Duncan has done the research and shown as unsubstantiated or plain false most of the statistics quoted in the alarmist and fear-mongering way the video uses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I couldn&#039;t believe that this was a serious video from the way it started - it&#039;s like an advertising short for the next Transformers or Terminator movie: fear, fear and uncertainty. Scary music, dark, shifting blury writing that implies doom.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The Global Culture our children inherit will be vastly different than what it is today&quot;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which generation in the last century has NOT said that? The world I&#039;m bringing my kids into is far different from the world I grew up in, and that was far different from the world my parents grew up in. And I expect the world my kids bring their kids into (if there is one) will be different again. No culture is static, or necessarily worth preserving.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The video&#039;s main argument is that &quot;Islamic migration&quot; + birth rates will lead us to Islamic republics all over the world. &quot;Islam will be the dominant religion&quot;. That&#039;s possible. But unlikely. It implies that all muslims are the same in their political aspirations for an Islamic republic. And even if they were (which they&#039;re not). Jesus never said his followers would or should dominate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the video&#039;s main message is that we (1st world Christians) need to be prepared to share our faith with Muslims, look for opportunities to do so, and bring our children up to know what they believe and be able to share it, then I think it is right. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the video&#039;s message is that we should be motivated by fear that the world is being taken over by Islam then I think it is against the gospel and should be critisized as divisive, inflamatory war mongering (the opposite of &quot;peacemaking&quot; Matt 5:9). Most wars are built on such nonsense.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If we use it as a call to follow Christ more closely, to loving and understanding our new Muslim neighbours, then I think it can be used by God to build His Kingdom on earth. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In it&#039;s present form, watched on it&#039;s own, however, I think the video tends to the former rather than the latter so I will not be recommending it to any of my friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the opposite of the malthusian fears of the 50s<br />fears of &#8220;cultural take over&#8221; <br />&#8220;historical research tells us&#8221;<br />&#8220;Europe will cease to exist&#8221;<br />&#8220;islamic&#8221; imigration + birth rates &#8211;&gt; islamic republic<br />unsubstatiatted statistics are given in very negative and fear-inspiring terms<br />&#8220;the world is changing&#8221; &#8220;it&#39;s time to wake up&#8221;<br />islam is preparing for growing numbers<br />&#8220;islam will be the dominant religion&#8221;<br />&#8220;share the gospel message with the changing world&#8221;<br />&#8220;this is a call to action&#8221;</p>
<p>Initially on watching the video I laughed.</p>
<p>In my Development Studies cause we learnt all about Malthus and the Malthusian concerns of the 1950s &#8211; that overpopulation was going to wipe out the world and that contaceptive or sterilisation needed to be part of any good development project. </p>
<p>Aparently stupidly, the 1st world listened and dropped it&#39;s birth rate. Now we&#39;re being taken over and the world will never be the same. Ha!</p>
<p>I&#39;m glad Duncan has done the research and shown as unsubstantiated or plain false most of the statistics quoted in the alarmist and fear-mongering way the video uses.</p>
<p>I couldn&#39;t believe that this was a serious video from the way it started &#8211; it&#39;s like an advertising short for the next Transformers or Terminator movie: fear, fear and uncertainty. Scary music, dark, shifting blury writing that implies doom.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Global Culture our children inherit will be vastly different than what it is today&#8221;. </p>
<p>Which generation in the last century has NOT said that? The world I&#39;m bringing my kids into is far different from the world I grew up in, and that was far different from the world my parents grew up in. And I expect the world my kids bring their kids into (if there is one) will be different again. No culture is static, or necessarily worth preserving.</p>
<p>The video&#39;s main argument is that &#8220;Islamic migration&#8221; + birth rates will lead us to Islamic republics all over the world. &#8220;Islam will be the dominant religion&#8221;. That&#39;s possible. But unlikely. It implies that all muslims are the same in their political aspirations for an Islamic republic. And even if they were (which they&#39;re not). Jesus never said his followers would or should dominate.</p>
<p>If the video&#39;s main message is that we (1st world Christians) need to be prepared to share our faith with Muslims, look for opportunities to do so, and bring our children up to know what they believe and be able to share it, then I think it is right. </p>
<p>If the video&#39;s message is that we should be motivated by fear that the world is being taken over by Islam then I think it is against the gospel and should be critisized as divisive, inflamatory war mongering (the opposite of &#8220;peacemaking&#8221; Matt 5:9). Most wars are built on such nonsense.</p>
<p>If we use it as a call to follow Christ more closely, to loving and understanding our new Muslim neighbours, then I think it can be used by God to build His Kingdom on earth. </p>
<p>In it&#39;s present form, watched on it&#39;s own, however, I think the video tends to the former rather than the latter so I will not be recommending it to any of my friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Krebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicolas Krebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the suggestion that Muslims have 8.1 children per family in France.&quot; (Duncan Macleod)

(is the) Funniest joke of the year! (in my opinion)

&quot;It is claimed that 30 percent of people under 20 in France are Muslim. Where does this statistic come from? Certainly not from the French census, as the French do not ask people to identify themselves by religion.&quot;

See &quot;To try to clear up the confusion ... around 8 or 9 per cent.&quot; in John Lichfield, &quot;Our Man In Paris: France will never be a Muslim state&quot;, The Independent, 2004-02-03, http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/our-man-in-paris-france-will-never-be-a-muslim-state-568594.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the suggestion that Muslims have 8.1 children per family in France.&#8221; (Duncan Macleod)</p>
<p>(is the) Funniest joke of the year! (in my opinion)</p>
<p>&#8220;It is claimed that 30 percent of people under 20 in France are Muslim. Where does this statistic come from? Certainly not from the French census, as the French do not ask people to identify themselves by religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>See &#8220;To try to clear up the confusion &#8230; around 8 or 9 per cent.&#8221; in John Lichfield, &#8220;Our Man In Paris: France will never be a Muslim state&#8221;, The Independent, 2004-02-03, <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/our-man-in-paris-france-will-never-be-a-muslim-state-568594.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/our-man-in-paris-france-will-never-be-a-muslim-state-568594.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 04:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>islamophobic crap. as neil said, i fear what talk-back will say when they find this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>islamophobic crap. as neil said, i fear what talk-back will say when they find this.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical scare mongering that will no doubt become talk-back &quot;fact&quot;.</description>
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